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Post by BoatBabe on Sept 26, 2017 9:08:33 GMT -5
Sorry to hear that you were sick this weekend, Doc! It's troublesome to be suddenly sick and then, after a few hours in the ER, to be declared fine. I hope you continue on the "fine" road.
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Post by Jane on Sept 26, 2017 15:40:56 GMT -5
We had the same experience. Took Bill to urgent care last night with fever, chills, body aches, extreme fatigue--a repeat of what he went through last year at exactly the same time. Last year they eventually diagnosed mono, which I really don't believe, but they did every test known to man. He was sick for a month or two. Flash forward 12 months. Same thing. Urgent care sent us to the ER because his blood pressure dropped so low. Spent hours in ER. Blood. IV fluids. Injection for fever relief. Sent us home. He's still sick. Don't know what it is. Again. Mono? Again? Really?
We were supposed to head out west on Saturday, but the trip has been indefinitely postponed. Fine with me.
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Post by doctork on Sept 26, 2017 17:00:42 GMT -5
Here's the thing - the job of the ER is to determine if you need to be admitted to the hospital with something they can treat or fix only by hospital admission. The rest should be done out-patient. Obviously I was feeling really bad, because with Howard an RN and me an MD, we try everything else first. So the ER determined there was no Brain Tumor Business, no heart or lung serious problem, no neurological ailments, no major disorder with my innards requiring immediate surgery. I also stayed home today, as I am better but not really ready for prime time.
Sometimes this happens in the office too. Someone obviously doesn't feel well, but the tests do not reveal any diagnosis. I tell the patient "All I can say is I don't find anything bad wrong with you, which is good news. But I don't know exactly what the problem is." So we treat the symptoms and keep an eye out. Sometimes it goes away and we never know. If it persists, we repeat the testing again at appropriate intervals, get specialty consults as indicated.
Jane, maybe Bill should follow-up with his family doctor/internist who can follow him along with serial exams and lab work. And if he has had mono twice in a year, maybe an ID (Infectious Diseases) consult. Just doesn't smell right to me. And Urgent Care is pretty much like the ER - either you need admission or you f/u with your PCP.
OTOH, "The human body is very complex and has a lot more things that can go wrong with it than we docs can diagnose."
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Post by BoatBabe on Sept 26, 2017 19:32:08 GMT -5
I'm sorry that I "liked" your post, Jane. I don't like it at all. But there is no "I hear you, empathize with you, and Sheesh! What a drag for you!!" button.
I DID mean to "like" your post, Doc, in that "I hear you, it's not good, but that is surely the way it is," kinda "like" way.
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Post by doctork on Sept 27, 2017 8:24:58 GMT -5
I always forget about the "Like" button anyway!
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Post by BoatBabe on Sept 27, 2017 8:57:10 GMT -5
Regarding another topic you mentioned, Doc, we are recording the Ken Burns "Vietnam" series, and every time I think about watching it, it brings up all of those memories, and after all these years, I'm still not sure I can really go back there. It was such a painful time.
"And it's one, two, three, What are we fighting for?"
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Post by jspnrvr on Sept 27, 2017 10:03:25 GMT -5
Regarding another topic you mentioned, Doc, we are recording the Ken Burns "Vietnam" series, and every time I think about watching it, it brings up all of those memories, and after all these years, I'm still not sure I can really go back there. It was such a painful time. "And it's one, two, three, What are we fighting for?" I agree; I saw it the first time, live and in color.
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Post by jspnrvr on Sept 27, 2017 10:10:08 GMT -5
We had the same experience. Took Bill to urgent care last night with fever, chills, body aches, extreme fatigue--a repeat of what he went through last year at exactly the same time. Last year they eventually diagnosed mono, which I really don't believe, but they did every test known to man. He was sick for a month or two. Flash forward 12 months. Same thing. Urgent care sent us to the ER because his blood pressure dropped so low. Spent hours in ER. Blood. IV fluids. Injection for fever relief. Sent us home. He's still sick. Don't know what it is. Again. Mono? Again? Really? We were supposed to head out west on Saturday, but the trip has been indefinitely postponed. Fine with me. So sorry, Jane the ER is a scary place, especially when you don't know what's going on. Probably the last thing you want now is more doctoring, but Doc is right. Time for Bill to get with his own physician and do what is necessary to put a name on this thing, then it can be taken care of.
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Post by doctork on Sept 28, 2017 0:58:07 GMT -5
I wasn't scared at all Jay. They gave me a couple doses of IV Dilaudid then I didn't care what they did. Some people came at me with giant needles & stuff and told me "I'm just gonna blah blah blah" and I just said "I don't care what you do." Somebody else said "Boy you really are sick and in pain." I don't remember any more after that, except I couldn't remember how to use the phone so the nurse had to call Howard for me so he would come and take me home when I was finished.
I'm seeing my family doc internist tomorrow and he will tell me what happened and what I should do next.
Jay, I thought you had a high draft lottery number and didn't have to go to Viet Nam? Howard had a low number - I think it was 10 - but his cousin told him to give up his student deferment late in 1971 because Melvin Laird had just announced no more drafts for the rest of the (calendar) year. Howard did that, spent 3 months as 1A until January 1, 1972, then his name dropped to the bottom and he didn't get drafted.
Two of my high school boyfriends, and one "just a friend" did get drafted, well actually, one of them volunteered because his family was long-time military. One survived unscathed, one was a helicopter pilot who had some minor injuries but came home OK, and the third was Air Force and his plane was shot down. He didn't come back.
I am watching the series as well as recording it. It is very well done and I think it is good to be reminded. "Those who forget the past..."
I am not surprised we shoot ourselves in the foot. Just how quickly we reload.
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Post by gailkate on Sept 30, 2017 0:31:48 GMT -5
I'm sorry K and Bill have been so sick. I find at our age, it's not only not fun to be sick but really not fun to be told "we don't know what the hell it is."
I still haven't worked myself up to watching Vietnam, though we have taped all episodes. Good ol' roges noted on his FB page that there was no point in dredging it all up again, especially for people who'd spent 40-some years trying to forget it. I said it was hard enough on us civilians but must be horrible for men who saw it up close, as jay said. but it bothers me that about 2/3 of the country are too young to really know what it was about. I agree that we have to remember. We haven't done a good enough job teaching history, especially the history of our own complicity with corrupt and cruel governments.
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Post by doctork on Oct 3, 2017 8:44:46 GMT -5
Las Vegas.
The horror. The horror.
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Post by Jane on Oct 3, 2017 12:15:20 GMT -5
And yet nothing is going to change. If it didn't change after Sandy Hook, it's certainly not going to change now. I honestly do not feel like this is my country anymore.
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Post by gailkate on Oct 3, 2017 20:38:15 GMT -5
Many of you probably think of Rachel Maddow as a wild-eyed liberal. Sometimes she gets worked up about things even I think should get a pass. But she's one of the smartest people in journalism and often has a different take on a story. Last night she started with what everyone was saying - how the hell did he get all those guns in the hotel? But she went further. Only Rachel would research gun shows and find out there's a gun show about every week in Las Vegas. Easy to buy dozens of guns and modifications to make them shoot like fully automatic weapons of war. So "this one person created more victims than if he had crashed a fully loaded 747." She showed the various attachments and described why he might have needed so many - they jam, they overheat, so he just goes from gun to gun, a well-prepared killing machine. But already the horror is being drowned out by the "guns don't kill people" crowd - true, but mad men couldn't kill and wound dozens to hundreds of people if they didn't have a gun. Even the NRA once had a sensible attitude toward guns, but they're out of control. Did you notice the sale of guns and stock prices rose today?
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Post by doctork on Oct 24, 2017 22:12:37 GMT -5
I checked out "People" magazine while I was at the doctor's office today and the Las Vegas story was on the front cover, so it's not all "Guns don't kill people..." Today is also the third anniversary of the Pilchuk Massacre, also known as the Marysville school shooting, in which one tribal member shot and killed four of his friends while they were all at school on their lunch break. There was considerable local radio and newspaper coverage which definitely recognized that guns do kill people.
I was at the doctor to get all my pre-op testing and stuff done. I passed and the surgery is all set for November 9. My ortho says my leg will straighten all the way out, and the leg bones will be lined up straight after the surgery! Sadly, he says even the non-ferrous metals will alarm the WTMD at the airport (walk through metal detector) so I should go through the Nude-O-Scope. I do not know about that. I still might opt for the body pat down (though I hope maybe the machine will not notice the chrome or titanium or whatever) because I do not believe I should be required to give my nude photos to the US government in order to take a domestic flight.
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Post by BoatBabe on Oct 25, 2017 8:28:15 GMT -5
That sounds like an excellent prognosis for your knee and leg, Doc! Should make walking a lot easier. No pain would be a God-send.
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Post by doctork on Oct 25, 2017 8:41:30 GMT -5
I am very enthusiastic about the possibility of walking with no pain - even if it takes a few weeks of recovery.
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Post by BoatBabe on Oct 25, 2017 23:51:25 GMT -5
I am very enthusiastic about the possibility of walking with no pain - even if it takes a few weeks of recovery. This sounds just great, Doc! We will keep watch.
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Post by booklady on Nov 21, 2018 7:11:00 GMT -5
Once again I drop in to ask some of the smartest people I know if they can explain something in the news to me.
I have not had the time to do any research into the killing of Saudi journalist Jamal Ahmad Khashoggi. I know what they tell us in the headlines, and that's about it. But the extensive news coverage about it confuses me. I do not remember this kind of extended outcry when the American journalist Daniel Pearl was decapitated in Pakistan. Why is the Khashoggi case generating such long-lasting coverage? Is it because he was killed by his own government, which is an ally of ours? I do not mean to start a political argument here....just want a clear explanation of why Daniel Pearl's murder was passed by so quickly in comparison while Khashoggi's goes on and on. Does anyone know?
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Post by BoatBabe on Nov 21, 2018 9:57:50 GMT -5
Hmmmm. "Follow the money." I don't recall any money aspect in Daniel Pearl's brutal and senseless death.
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Post by booklady on Nov 21, 2018 10:54:46 GMT -5
What's the money aspect in Khashoggi's death? Sorry. I know more about physics than international politics.
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Post by joew on Nov 21, 2018 22:35:22 GMT -5
One big difference is that Jamal Khashoggi was killed by agents of a foreign government, whereas Daniel Pearl was killed by people who were part of a terrorist organization. Furthermore, the government behind the murder of Khashoggi is not an enemy of the US, as the terrorists were. The Saudi government has been an ally on various issues and generally friendly. Another difference is that there have been unanswered questions about the depth of the Saudi regime's involvement, and a continuing investigation, keeping the story alive.
There are two money aspects. One is that President Trump has benefited financially from business dealings with Saudi Arabia. The other is that there are monetary benefits (such as lower petroleum prices, and sales of military equipment) to the US from dealings with Saudi Arabia.
It seems that our government is willing to accept Khashoggi's murder because of the benefits — not just monetary but strategic — of being on good terms with Saudi Arabia, whereas there was no question of being on good terms with the terrorists who murdered Daniel Pearl.
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Post by BoatBabe on Nov 23, 2018 14:04:54 GMT -5
Joe, thank you for your concise explanation of following the money re: Jamal Khashoggi's death vs. Daniel Pearl's death. Well done!
I'll just continue to throw lines around in the 3-1/2 minutes I am able to check-in early in the mornings before work, and all y'all can flesh out the specifics. You are very good at it.
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Post by booklady on Nov 23, 2018 17:06:10 GMT -5
Thank you, Joe.
So, what would be an appropriate US response? (Sincerely meant, not argument baiting.)
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Post by joew on Nov 24, 2018 14:45:07 GMT -5
I really don't know, but I think some sort of economic sanctions or canceling some arms sale would make sense. I definitely think something must me done. We shouldn't literally let them get away with murder. On the other hand, I think it would be extreme to cut off all ties.
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Post by doctork on Nov 25, 2018 4:37:02 GMT -5
I agree with Joe's assessment of where the money is. President Trump has rather baldly stated that the US makes billions of $$ in sales of armaments to the Saudis and he doesn't think it's worth losing/relinquishing all that money just because the Saudis engineered the killing of a US resident. He didn't mention his own monetary losses which will accrue, but they are no doubt substantial. Many Americans are offended that our long-held principles are so easily ignored for money.
Then there is the issue that Kashoggi worked for the ("liberal")Washington Post, which Trump hates and has stated is an enemy of the people. Pearl worked for the Wall Street Journal, which is more conservative, probably not seen as such a great enemy of Trump (though Trump is regularly criticized in the WSJ too). Pearl's death also did not occur in an embassy, so it was not so clearly defined as a "political" event; and we were already engaged in the War On TerrorTM. I thought that Daniel Pearl's death was covered quite extensively as a humanitarian issue, but then I subscribe to the WSJ so I read a lot of coverage about Daniel Pearl.
Kashoggi was not a US citizen, and I am not an immigration attorney, but I think for all practical purposes green card holders have most of the same rights as citizens, aside from voting. Still, if his name was John Smith and he had been born and raised in the US, the White House might be more forceful about some form of punishment. Foreign governments should not be murdering US persons and getting away with it scot-free because we get a lot of money from them.
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Post by booklady on Jun 12, 2021 9:26:00 GMT -5
I cannot believe CNN has allowed a certain legal analyst/commentator back on the air. He should never again be allowed a reputable public platform.
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Post by doctork on Jun 12, 2021 17:03:15 GMT -5
I watch CNN (mostly Anderson Cooper, even though this week it's been that other guy) but I must have missed this. Is that Jeffrey Toobin back?
PS - I am OK with AC taking more time to be home with Wyatt.
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Post by booklady on Jun 13, 2021 6:14:05 GMT -5
Yes, he's back. I can's say I think much of CNN's standards, when he and Mr. Cuomo have prominent platforms there.
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Post by doctork on Jun 13, 2021 16:25:19 GMT -5
I don't watch much of Chris Cuomo, but he is the governor's brother, not the actual governor, so I would expect him to be judged as a journalist, not as a politician. However, Cuomos are a political dynasty so I don't spose Chris can get totally away from that.
My view may be skewed by the one time I did watch Chris Cuomo for a few minutes at the start of his show, switching over from AC. It was right after some NY State/Gov Cuomo crisis had hit, and Chris gave a several minute long speech about how he and CNN drew a line between news reporting and and family relationships. There had apparently been some possible misstep the day before and Chris was apologetic. I didn't understand the situation, didn't know the details of any faux pas, and don't really care because Chris Cuomo's show has mostly political opinion and is rather short on "news."
Sometimes Mr. Toobin added an interesting legal opinion, but he is a grown-up, should be much more careful about electronic communications.
Me on Zoom - muted, video turned off; I even keep the camera taped over unless I have a good reason to want my face (and only my face) visible.
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Post by booklady on Jun 14, 2021 7:15:07 GMT -5
I don't watch much of Chris Cuomo, but he is the governor's brother, not the actual governor, so I would expect him to be judged as a journalist, not as a politician. However, Cuomos are a political dynasty so I don't spose Chris can get totally away from that. My view may be skewed by the one time I did watch Chris Cuomo for a few minutes at the start of his show, switching over from AC. It was right after some NY State/Gov Cuomo crisis had hit, and Chris gave a several minute long speech about how he and CNN drew a line between news reporting and and family relationships. There had apparently been some possible misstep the day before and Chris was apologetic. I didn't understand the situation, didn't know the details of any faux pas, and don't really care because Chris Cuomo's show has mostly political opinion and is rather short on "news." Sometimes Mr. Toobin added an interesting legal opinion, but he is a grown-up, should be much more careful about electronic communications. Me on Zoom - muted, video turned off; I even keep the camera taped over unless I have a good reason to want my face (and only my face) visible. "...he is a grown-up, should be much more careful about electronic communications.." If JT (writing his name creeps me out) had been caught picking his nose during the zoom business meeting, I'd agree he should be more careful. What he was actually doing during the zoom business meeting calls for immediate firing, on so many different levels. Regarding Chris Cuomo, as a viewer who likes a lot of political commentary I used to watch him often. He lost me when he had Covid in the spring of 2020 and orchestrated dramatic segments from his basement, supposedly quarantining even from family members and telling us all about his night sweats and fever dreams. Then he was outed for going out in public with his family and without his mask. While he had Covid, which he was nightly, very publicly, telling us all about. When a regular old person wandered by and confronted him -- "hey, don't you have Covid? Shouldn't you be in quarantine?" -- was Cuomo apologetic and repentant? Heck no. He cussed the guy out. The recent thing you're referring to is probably when Gov. Cuomo was seeking advice on how to "manage" the media coverage of the accusations of sexual predation from multiple women in his office and staff, and Chris Cuomo -- the "journalist" -- was among the group convening to help the Gov out with his little P/R problem. Chris got reprimanded for that, but to me his legitimacy was also damaged by his "coverage" of his brother's management of the Covid crisis in New York -- often jokey, inappropriately light-hearted, and certainly not thorough. Meanwhile, thousands of old people were dying in nursing homes from the Gov's mismanagement -- but of course, he was awfully busy writing his book and doing his daily TV show. I rarely watch CNN anymore. I can tolerate Jake Tapper and Wolf Blitzer, that's about it. My biggest complaint with them is not Cuomo, though, but the other guy. I really can't believe they put him back on the air.
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