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Post by rogesgallery on Mar 8, 2007 0:16:16 GMT -5
This site is a gass I've been perusing it for a while but this was the first page I came across while looking for some validation for the Paraguay rumor. Have I posted this before? Its kinda the lighter side of the poitical scene. Cheers! Wonkette |
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Post by SeattleDan on Mar 8, 2007 0:25:56 GMT -5
Rog, I'm coming up with this message: Sorry, no posts containing george-w.-bush we-hate-to-bring-up-the-nazis-but-they-fled-to-south-america-too-20854 were found. Please try again.
The site comes up, but not what you're trying to link to.
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Post by rogesgallery on Mar 8, 2007 0:36:07 GMT -5
For some reason I can't get the link to include the9.php at the end of the link I guess its cut and paste unless someone can fix it.
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Post by joew on Mar 8, 2007 0:41:18 GMT -5
This site is a gass I've been perusing it for a while but this was the first page I came across while looking for some validation for the Paraguay rumor. Have I posted this before? Its kinda the lighter side of the poitical scene. Cheers! WonketteLet's see if I quote it. |
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Post by rogesgallery on Mar 8, 2007 0:41:31 GMT -5
Check out this picture and article Wonkette |
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Post by joew on Mar 8, 2007 0:42:33 GMT -5
[/A][/quote] Let's see if I quote it. |
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Post by rogesgallery on Mar 8, 2007 0:48:22 GMT -5
I cutted and pasted the addy and it workeded.
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Post by rogesgallery on Mar 8, 2007 0:52:54 GMT -5
I know you guys are lost in that page. Interesting stuff having Jenna Bush sent on a diplomatic mission to Paraguay. I more recently heard that George HW Bush also bought something like 178,000 acresin the same neigborhood
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Post by joew on Mar 8, 2007 0:54:38 GMT -5
Did the same. Very interesting. Don't let j* see this. It would distress her. It means that Mitt Romney is the next POTUS. (Remeber Viking Dave and his references to the "Mormoons" because of the well-known — to VD — connection between the Mormons and Rev. Moon?)
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Post by rogesgallery on Mar 8, 2007 1:00:23 GMT -5
It's funny that this hasn't hit the main stream here since it's all over the S. American news. The thing that really gets me is the fact that in the same time frame Paraguay passed the law exonerating any US citizens from war crimes.
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Post by rogesgallery on Mar 8, 2007 1:02:34 GMT -5
HAHhahahahaha! Your funny trusty
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Post by rogesgallery on Mar 8, 2007 1:10:56 GMT -5
J* will be on this in a neocon blink, Right dear? Teehee Blinkblink.
Follow the money. To da Moon Gladys To da Moon.
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Post by rogesgallery on Mar 8, 2007 1:31:14 GMT -5
Here is another reference, in case you missed it. It certainly looks like maybe someone believes in Global weather change., or a change in the fortunes of the US. Moonshadow |
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Post by juliastar on Mar 8, 2007 6:35:12 GMT -5
Paraguay is old news, although I can't say Fox is covering it. Copy the attached and eliminate the spaces in php at the end and this address should work: wonkette.com/politics/george-w.-bush/we-hate-to-bring-up-the-nazis-but-they-fled-to-south-america-too-208549.phpI'd settle for news of his early retirement in Crawford, but exile to Paraguay works. It has a certain cleansing, good-riddance feel to it. You do understand that flight is viewed in legal circles as nearly the equivalent of an admission of guilt. I can't imagine South America being too excited about harboring him, but that's not my problem, it's his. I'm sure he'll be safe behind his fortified walls. If it happens, I'll think of it as a prison. |
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Post by rogesgallery on Mar 8, 2007 16:12:11 GMT -5
Paraguay is old news, although I can't say Fox is covering it. Copy the attached and eliminate the spaces in php at the end and this address should work: wonkette.com/politics/george-w.-bush/we-hate-to-bring-up-the-nazis-but-they-fled-to-south-america-too-208549.phpI'd settle for news of his early retirement in Crawford, but exile to Paraguay works. It has a certain cleansing, good-riddance feel to it. You do understand that flight is viewed in legal circles as nearly the equivalent of an admission of guilt. I can't imagine South America being too excited about harboring him, but that's not my problem, it's his. I'm sure he'll be safe behind his fortified walls. If it happens, I'll think of it as a prison. If you copy and paste it just as it is it works. I know that it is an old story. As far as I am concerned the implications of this story have far more relevance to the direction and future prospects of this country than the "Lead the bull by the nose-ring politics" of the Libby conviction. It is a farce and nothing further will ever come of it, it is over. The real story was in the outing of the NOC of Valerie Plame. Who, with her husband Joe Wilson, I might add, have shown more brevity over the last twenty years of service and have more loyalty to the constitutional precepts of this country than all of those who signed the neocon adgenda put together. Libby is giggling over Cervesa's with the boys, he is a lap dog, who's purpose was served by the silencing of the continued dissenting voices of the expertise of Plame and Wilson. You've probably all read Corn and Isikoffs book and Corns article in the Nation "What Valerie Plame really did in the CIA" so I don't have to tell you that millions of dollars were invested in Plames training and cover and a very valuable resource was thrown out the window to to protect ignorance and ineptitude. Her career did more for the security of this country than this administration has torn down and thats saying a lot! The story of two of Our Presidents in collusion with the shady South Korean leader of a church who sells ministership for the price of registration: The idea of his buying huge parcels of fortified land complete with occupied villages in a country with the most corrupt government in South America is not passing news or pompous spin. As I said in 1991 while watchinjg my co workers Cheer as the first bombs hit Baghdad; with brave Joe Wilsons diplomatic mission barely out of Iraqi airspace: This will come back to bite us in the ass. You can bookmark that. |
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Post by Trusty on Mar 8, 2007 22:34:52 GMT -5
HAHhahahahaha! Your funny trusty What did I do NOW?  |
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Post by rogesgallery on Mar 10, 2007 6:27:02 GMT -5
This situation is really interesting to me. I know you are all more interested in the machinations of our immediate government so I don't expect to attract a lot of participation. If it's allright with trusty though i think I will pursue it for a bit.
So far I have found no other US President who, toward the end of his presidency, has made such a large investment of private US capitol in a foriegn land, and alliances so contrary to mainstream US philosophy. Still that would not be so strange if it was not within a government structure reputed to be The center of South American corruption, smuggling, drug running, money laundering, and arms trade.
Granted, it could be an honest and even altruistic venture. What it does not seem to be is a(n honest) business venture. The Chaco region in which his land was purchased has been set aside through an agreement with USAID as an ecologically essential biosphere preserve. Therefore large scale agriculture is not possible in the region. Agriculture, though, is the only viable source of revenue in Paraguay. There are no minerals, no oil, Just the largest fresh water aquifer in the world. Yet he isn't even on the Aquifer.
Is it possible that I have been too quick to judge the man? Or could he be more diabolical than even his most vehement critics suspect?
Hmm I had meant to enter the LOC country profille here but my copy/paste utility seems to have locked it up in a piece of poetry. That means my browser is about to steal my nights work and turn it into 1s & 0s. I shall quietly dump what I can and Shhhhh....restart.
From the July 2001 issue World Press Review (VOL. 48, No. 7)
PARAGUAY: Web of Intrigue
Robert Taylor
Paraguayans, angry at losing their life savings in the recent banking crisis, clash with police (Photo: AFP)
For four months, the Paraguayan press has relentlessly investigated government involvement in the illegal diversion to offshore accounts of nearly US$16 million in assets from two failed banks. In early May, President Luis González Macchi was forced to dismiss the nation’s central bank president and initiate proceedings to remove several other top banking regulators.
But Asunción’s independent ABC Color (May 3), which has published a series of exposés since January implicating high government officials in the widening scandal, warned that the cacophony of contradictory evidence proffered by the principals in the scandal threatens to distract the public’s attention from the challenge of restoring fiscal integrity and rooting out official corruption.
In contrast to widespread public outrage over security forces’ recent failure to prevent a gang from pulling off an $11-million heist at Asunción airport, the illicit transfers of an estimated $8 million each from Banco Oriental and Banco Unión to offshore bank accounts “have scarcely roused the public consciousness,” the ABC Color editorial observed. Yet these crimes involve “even larger sums and affect not just a few individuals but the entire nation.”
Dismissing claims that the funds diverted offshore would eventually be returned to the government, the editorial emphasized that the trail of corruption allegations has led to the doorstep “of the central bank, the superintendency of banks, and possibly even higher.”
Considered within the context of other recent scandals in public agencies, including alleged improprieties in management of the giant Itaipu Dam, “it is evident that corruption infects deeply and broadly the highest levels of our society,” ABC Color
asserted. “Faced with these problems, and in view of the fact that neither the government nor even the judiciary has made an energetic corrective response, the country has begun to live on a keg of gunpowder.”
The independent Diario Noticias of Asunción (May 1) described the banking scandal as merely the latest in a series of scandals in a “financial carnival...that began shortly after the country’s democratization, when a new group of thieves sunk their claws into the public treasury.”
As the web of financial intrigue grows more complex, the editorial speculated that more unpleasant “surprises” may surface as investigators delve deeper into official archives.
“What we require are prosecutors and judges who are capable of acting with valor, prepared to give their all for justice and their country in order to unravel the morass of financial corruption. It will be a hard task because they will meet the hidden face of power,” the editorial said.
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Post by rogesgallery on Mar 10, 2007 6:36:48 GMT -5
President: Nicanor Duarte Frutos
President Nicanor Duarte: A grassroots politician
Nicanor Duarte, from the ruling Colorado Party, won presidential elections in April 2003 with 38% of the vote.
He campaigned on promises to crack down on crime and corruption and to create new jobs through public work programmes.
In office, he won praise for reforming the Supreme Court and for changing his cabinet after a corruption scandal.
But rising crime, including high-profile kidnappings, drew criticism and prompted him to sack ministers and police officials.
In 2004 reports of a possible assassination plot against him surfaced. His personal security was beefed up.
The president wants to change the constitution to allow him to seek a second term in 2008.
Mr Duarte is a populist, grassroots politician and a fiery public speaker. He joined the Colorado Party when he was 14 and was education minister in the 1990s.
A family man with five children, he was brought up in the farming town of Coronel Oviedo. He studied law and political science before beginning a career as a journalist.
Partial Country profile
Up to 95% of Paraguayans are mestizos, people of mixed Spanish and native American descent. Many speak the language of the indigenous Guarani; the rest are bilingual or only speak Spanish. There is a Japanese community, a legacy of post World War II migration.
With few mineral resources, Paraguay's economy revolves around agriculture. The 1990s saw slow, steady growth, but by 2002 the economy was in serious trouble, partly because of a financial crisis in neighbouring Argentina. Emergency loans - conditional on economic reforms - were negotiated with the IMF.
Corruption is widespread and Paraguay is a centre for smuggling, money laundering and organised crime.
The commercialisation of agriculture, population growth and forest clearances have led to a dramatic increase in the number of landless families.
This has boosted migration into urban areas and shanty towns have burgeoned. Around 60% of Paraguayans live in poverty.
Much of the north-west is taken up by the Chaco, a vast and largely-uninhabited plain. Paraguay and Bolivia fought over it in the 1930s; the war left 100,000 dead.
To be Continued...
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Post by Trusty on Mar 12, 2007 12:33:54 GMT -5
If it's allright with trusty though i think I will pursue it for a bit. No problem. Teach. |
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Post by doctork on Mar 12, 2007 15:27:13 GMT -5
I know very little about Paraguay, but this smells of the corporatocracy at work. Given the Bush involvement, I'd suspect an energy-related endeavor. Noting the mention of aquafer, maybe the scheme involves water somehow.
Follow the money to the costly projects financed by IMF (or the World Bank or some UN agency) through loans to the Paraguayan government. The contractors hired ("by the Paraguayans" at the direction of the west) for the project will be the Halliburtons and CH2MHills of the world, who will repatriate the money to the west and use it to line their pockets.
Later on, Paraguay will not have the money to repay the loans, but they will be "forgiven" so long as the Paraguayan government agrees to something the US wants. No problem - certain despots will have been paid off along the way. If by chance someone had refused to cooperate, there would have been a mysterious fatal accident, quite often a plane crash in the jungle.
I used to subscribe to World Press, and found it interesting with usually credible and careful research behind its stories. The subscription must have lapsed during one of my moves.
I'm waiting for the next chapter, roges...
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Post by rogesgallery on Mar 12, 2007 16:02:10 GMT -5
That is a very interesting observation Doc I didn't think of power generation. Did you know that after King George I deregulated the power companies and went back to Texass, 6 new Co-Gens were built? The last coming on line just before the big "Enron Orchestral" enrgy crisis.
Co-Gen's use huge amouts of fresh water and they have a bad reputation in the US. I'll have to look into the Coal deposits in S. Am. Thanks !
Roges
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Post by doctork on Mar 12, 2007 21:17:48 GMT -5
Roges, I know virtually nothing about Co-Gens, but apparently that is a link between energy and water. Your posted article also mentions the Itaipu Dam, one of the "engineering marvels of the modern world." It is located in the same Tri-Border Area as the land owned by the Bush family.
Hmmm - I wonder where the money to build the Itaipu Dam came from? Who built it? The article mentions financial scandals, which the current president was supposedly elected to fight.
This is very suggestive of corporatocracy. Somewhere among the board members and senior executives of the entities involved, you will probably find former US government (and other developed nations') officials who have used the revolving door between government service and private industry to position themselves strategically. If the World Bank who had provided the money, the finger would clearly point to Paul Wolfowitz (former right hand man of "Rummy").
If there is a "Paraguay land grab" going on, it's more likely in the service of global empire than just a hideaway for GWB, who is but one player in the game, IMHO. I will be very interested to see what your research turns up.
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Post by rogesgallery on Apr 21, 2008 23:41:50 GMT -5
Doc CoGens are Coal electric generation plants. They require large amounts of fresh water for steam. Here is the latest on the Bush / Paraguay adventure. I'm not sure what to think about this, there just isn't enough information ...But then Josef Mengele, Eduardo Roschmann and, some suspect Martin Bormann (infamous Nazi war criminals), hid out in Paraguay along with other Nazi refugee's for years. I do have to ask myself what is the reasoning behind the Bush families apparent migration to that part of the world. The articles below indicate that the intent of Neil Bush's visit to Paraguay is to promote peace in the Middle East. Why then the alliance with Reverend Sun Myung Moon and why Paraguay? Where is the connection between these three entities and peace in the Middle East? Why would the Bush's not strive to promote peace in the Middle East through their influence in Washington? I wonder what effect the election of Fernando Lugo as Paraguay's president will have on the Bush influence in the region. I also wonder if the Neil Bush's visits with Paraguayan President Duarte had anything to do with the impending election. I guess we'll have to wait and see how long Father Lugo lives. I am trying to keep an open mind about this but it seems to be too shrouded in mystery and silence to be above board. www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/02/29/paraguay.neil.bush.ap/index.htmlwww.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/neil-bush-the-rev-moon-paraguay-and-the-us-dept-of-education/This was reported in 2005 just prior to the Bush land purchase: www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=U.S._military_presence_in_Paraguay |
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Post by rogesgallery on Apr 21, 2008 23:50:42 GMT -5
Hmm More questions than answers.
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Post by rogesgallery on Apr 21, 2008 23:54:49 GMT -5
Whew the first part of this thread is messy...I must have been drinking.
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Post by doctork on Apr 22, 2008 0:01:24 GMT -5
I'll have to read more about this tomorrow when I'm off work.
But hear this. Neil Bush is the black sheep of the Bush family, if you can imagine that possibility. He was too incompetent to scheme, lie, and steal effectively back in the Savings & Loan scandals of the late 80's, and he was personally responsible for the loss of hundreds of millions of dollars in the Denver real estate bust back in that era. "Silverado scandal"
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Post by rogesgallery on Apr 22, 2008 0:11:05 GMT -5
Actually 1.6 billion
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Post by slb2 on Apr 22, 2008 0:28:50 GMT -5
I thought this was a brand-new thread. And I read it from the top, not looking closely at the dates. What a surprise to hear roges call out to juliastar and then to see her respond! That's when I looked at the dates. It seems we've been hanging out together for years and years. But it's not been long at all.  (And to boot, I think some of you aren't sick of me yet!) |
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Post by rogesgallery on Apr 22, 2008 0:45:52 GMT -5
Silly Susan, You're the life of the party, what would we do without you... besides that, Mothers of small children are granted immunity from judgment.
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Post by michael on Apr 22, 2008 0:51:51 GMT -5
It seems we've been hanging out together for years and years. But it's not been long at all. (And to boot, I think some of you aren't sick of me yet!) Ah, ma chere, who could be sick of you? After all, you add a certain je ne sais quoi to the prairieCHATTER. |
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(And to boot, I think some of you aren't sick of me yet!)