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Post by BoatBabe on Oct 21, 2012 13:14:28 GMT -5
Oh, BB, I can understand your frustration with those Ivory Tower types. I'm assuming that there is some issues with control. Some want to run the whole dang show, other don't want to be controlled. My supervisor has had to learn some hard lessons that way. His mindset is that if we're not doing something the way he does it, it's automatically wrong. Of course, this isn't the case. It's been a tough couple of years, but it's improving some. I've been counting the days til next July, when he retires. If I end up in charge, I'm going to have to really watch myself so I don't become him. I intend to be more of a coach than a boss. We had to, sort of laugh, the supervisor of the water distribution crew would like his guys to think for themselves, but most won't. Our boss doesn't like it when we think, but we would if allowed. Mistakes happen and, when they do, the proper thing to do is to set down and try to see where one went wrong and try not to do a repeat. Yes, BB, grownups don't always play well with others. ~B~ You will Do So Well, ~B~! Because you've been on the other side. Grown Ups who have been on the other side don't forget where they came from. Folks who got there by an "education" instead of putting in time at the bottom are simply the worst. Everyone makes mistakes. It's what you do after you find out about the mistake that makes the difference.
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Post by doctork on Oct 21, 2012 13:44:57 GMT -5
I was attending some "Physicians in Management" meeting when one speaker told a story about some MD-MBA who worked for him and made some costly error in judgement that lost maybe $5 million.
The errant MD say "Boss are you gonna fire me?"
The boss said "Fire you!! I just spent $5 million on your tuition!"
I've always felt that nothing is a total failure so long as you learn from your mistakes. You know that old saw "If you want to make an omelet you have to crack a few eggs."
And as for coming up through the ranks as physician executives - well everyone goes through medical school, residency and is board-certified, so there is no one who has had only education, no experience. OTOH, everyone has been through med school and residency so they aren't just going to "follow orders because you're the boss."
But there are always the Ivory Tower types who want to follow the letter of the scientific literature, while others temper the literature with practical experience. The "Medicine is an art as well as a science" thing.
Whether it is trains, treating illness, or running the water and sewage for a city, some things are always the same. But I never forget that if it weren't for Brutus keeping the water clean we'd be just another third world country with people dying right and left from cholera and typhus.
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Post by BoatBabe on Oct 21, 2012 14:48:41 GMT -5
I discovered that my best physicians had been patients themselves earlier in their lives, instead of physicians who survived medical school, residency and board-certification. That part of their education has "no experience" attached from a patient's perspective.
I have also seen a few physicians completely change their practice after becoming a patient later in their careers, after they already knew that they already knew everything.
Doc said, "Whether it is trains, treating illness, or running the water and sewage for a city, some things are always the same. But I never forget that if it weren't for Brutus keeping the water clean we'd be just another third world country with people dying right and left from cholera and typhus."
How True!
And Truly Amazing how many people don't understand that if they don't pay taxes for their communities' infrastructure, They Will Not Have This Luxury. If you think you can pay the least and expect to get the best results, you are an idiot.
Are we Grown Ups yet?
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Post by gailkate on Oct 22, 2012 0:22:44 GMT -5
And Truly Amazing how many people don't understand that if they don't pay taxes for their communities' infrastructure, They Will Not Have This Luxury. If you think you can pay the least and expect to get the best results, you are an idiot.
Are we Grown Ups yet? And yet those same people will pay association fees for their condos and townhouses, membership fees at health clubs, museums, botanical gardens - all kinds of services they know cost real money to provide. But the streets to get them there or the water to fill the pools or the police and firefighters they expect to show up on a dime - they should be in top condition at rock-bottom cost.
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Post by BoatBabe on Oct 22, 2012 9:02:54 GMT -5
And Truly Amazing how many people don't understand that if they don't pay taxes for their communities' infrastructure, They Will Not Have This Luxury. If you think you can pay the least and expect to get the best results, you are an idiot.
Are we Grown Ups yet? And yet those same people will pay association fees for their condos and townhouses, membership fees at health clubs, museums, botanical gardens - all kinds of services they know cost real money to provide. But the streets to get them there or the water to fill the pools or the police and firefighters they expect to show up on a dime - they should be in top condition at rock-bottom cost. That's the truth, Gail!
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Post by doctork on Oct 22, 2012 9:08:04 GMT -5
I suspect that those individuals regard the fees that they pay as "voluntary" while they object to taxes as "mandatory," as though clean water, roads and highways, and fire and police departments are optional.
"Mandatory" seems to be like a red flag in front of a bull, but most of us do not really want to be without water, roads and safety, which are part of living in civil society.
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Post by joew on Oct 22, 2012 10:59:20 GMT -5
Some people are so doctrinaire about it that they think privatizing infrastructure would work and deliver what we need more efficiently and cheaply.
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Post by Jane on Oct 22, 2012 15:00:30 GMT -5
As opposed to government "of the rich, by the rich, for the rich."
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Post by booklady on Oct 25, 2012 8:46:44 GMT -5
When I grow up I am going to be a fully certified school teacher. Even if it takes me until I am 85 years old.
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Post by BoatBabe on Oct 25, 2012 9:09:02 GMT -5
When I grow up I am going to be a fully certified school teacher. Even if it takes me until I am 85 years old. Hurray for you, Bookie! Now, that's a plan. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by booklady on Oct 25, 2012 9:33:45 GMT -5
Thank you, BB. Yes, at 60, I have returned to college. I'm thinking of it as my seventh time around Jericho.
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Post by doctork on Oct 25, 2012 23:58:17 GMT -5
Congratulations Booky! I think it is good for you, and for your brain more specifically, to keep on learning more.
Been back to school a few times myself , it's definitely worth it.
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Post by gailkate on Oct 26, 2012 8:50:14 GMT -5
Are you in the midst of that right now, Bl? Starting in January? Will you be a fulltime student? Tell us everything!
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Post by booklady on Oct 26, 2012 12:05:57 GMT -5
I'm enrolled in the two graduate courses (Master of Arts in Teaching program) that will get me a 3-year temporary certificate and allow me to teach. I'm hoping to get a full-time job starting in January. I have to teach a full year and also be enrolled as an "intern" in the MAT program in order to get the standard certificate, which would pretty much guarantee "reciprocity" in those New England states which are still the home of my heart. No Child Left Behind means that my BA in English isn't good enough to teach, and I let my previous, pre-NCLB certficate in Massachusetts lapse. Hence I'm marching around that wall again!
I struggle between thinking of myself as a complete fool who has mispent her life and looks like an idiot to all the people my age who are retiring after long and happy careers, and having faith that it is never too late to pursue my dream and life's true purpose. I did teach for 8 years and I can't shake the desire to get back to it. I have many doubts and fears but they are nothing compared to the alternative of dying without having earned that official piece of paper and testing myself in the classroom. I know it sounds crazy. I just have to do it.
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Post by doctork on Oct 26, 2012 19:50:22 GMT -5
I think you should always pursue your dreams as it is never too late!
I have switched careers a number of times, and moved even more often than that, and though that has had a substantial cost compared to staying in one place and having a long and happy career, I certainly don't regret it. I was very fortunate to choose a career that offers a wide variety of opportunities, and I am a born healer so I have been happy with it. Having grown up in a conservative Southern family where women did NOT work outside the home unless they were nurses or teachers, my family was not pleased when I announced I was going to medical school. You can't please everyone, you got to please yourself. (Thanks to Ricky Nelson and "Garden Party")
I am sure no one else thinks you are a fool; you have raised 3 kids, had a rewarding teaching career even if a little adjustment is needed now, plus you have moved across and up & down the country to check out different places and find out what is right for you! And, I think demographics are working in your favor - the "Echo Boomers" (aka Gen X, or baby Boomers' kids) are now having families who will populate the school rooms in growing numbers for the foreseeable future. And all your friends who are retiring in mass numbers leave a huge vacuum of empty positions!
If you love teaching, I say go for it! Plus if you love your work, who wants to retire!
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Post by gailkate on Oct 26, 2012 20:01:17 GMT -5
Not crazy at all! I'm very happy for you and admire your guts. I take it this is the voluntary time off you mentioned? So you'll maybe keep some news responsibilities while going to school but not if you get a job teaching?
As for being tested in the classroom, you've already been tested and earned 4 stars. we all remember how intense you were about teaching, inventing challenging lessons and experiences for your kids - who probably had no idea how lucky they were. But they're in high school now and they know what a gem you were. I can't remember when you left MA and set out on your southern adventure. So I just started poking through old threads and came up with this. Honestly, it was a lucky find, but I know we could find a bunch more.
Re: Resumes « Reply #4 on 11-10-2007 at 12:48pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I did a lesson this week called "How Photosynthesis is Like Chocolate Cake." Do you think that would get someone's attention?
What more do I have to say about your being a 4-Star teacher?
The Resumes thread is on p.5 of Chit Chat threads.
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Post by booklady on Oct 27, 2012 9:41:27 GMT -5
Thanks, docK and gk, for the encouragement and support. ![:-*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/kiss.png)
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Post by BoatBabe on Oct 27, 2012 10:06:41 GMT -5
This is all delightful to hear! It always makes me feel good to watch other people do well.
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Post by BoatBabe on Oct 28, 2012 17:42:32 GMT -5
Not crazy at all! I'm very happy for you and admire your guts. I take it this is the voluntary time off you mentioned? So you'll maybe keep some news responsibilities while going to school but not if you get a job teaching? As for being tested in the classroom, you've already been tested and earned 4 stars. we all remember how intense you were about teaching, inventing challenging lessons and experiences for your kids - who probably had no idea how lucky they were. But they're in high school now and they know what a gem you were. I can't remember when you left MA and set out on your southern adventure. So I just started poking through old threads and came up with this. Honestly, it was a lucky find, but I know we could find a bunch more. Re: Resumes « Reply #4 on 11-10-2007 at 12:48pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I did a lesson this week called "How Photosynthesis is Like Chocolate Cake." Do you think that would get someone's attention? What more do I have to say about your being a 4-Star teacher? The Resumes thread is on p.5 of Chit Chat threads.Ahhh, four stars for Bookie! ![](http://www.burlesonisd.net/home/sites/burlesonisd.net/files/u22/Star.png) ![](http://www.burlesonisd.net/home/sites/burlesonisd.net/files/u22/Star.png) ![](http://www.burlesonisd.net/home/sites/burlesonisd.net/files/u22/Star.png) ![](http://www.burlesonisd.net/home/sites/burlesonisd.net/files/u22/Star.png) ;D
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Post by booklady on Oct 28, 2012 19:55:32 GMT -5
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